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With reference to the fledgling debate about the concept (let?s maybe not use the contested term of "theory") of realism in Seminar 5, I have to admit that I am quite bewildered about many Europeans hectic rejection of this concept. At least on a theoretical level, I consider it quite appealing, given its simplifying effect. By that I mean it can by helpful when trying to make sense of international relations to at least bear in mind that states - to a lesser or stronger degree - first of all follow their national interest. How that interest is formulated and by which forces it is driven is another question (which, as far as I understand, is not being touched by classical realism).

So I?d like to discuss whether there might be some aspects about realism worth taking into consideration. A blatant denial on the grounds of "Oh this is so primitive" would be too easy an approach, and one that might leave out inspiring thoughts.

What do you think?
werft meinte am 20. Aug, 16:55:
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Here?s the link following which you can find a reader and useful links Prof Heinisch was referring to in the seminar: http://www.alpbach.org/ProgrammASP/Programm.asp?Sprache=D&H=-1795692708&U=-1934029590&Typ=U&Nr=-1934029590 
Das.Teil antwortete am 20. Aug, 20:07:
the link is broken.
what do you mean by "realism" - seems to be some ontological thesis in the background of this debate, and the question of the methodology of explanation. 
werft antwortete am 21. Aug, 18:52:
I corrected the link. Follow this one and chose Seminar 5 from the list. I hope it works.

As regards the definition of realism, I was referring to the political concept currently prevalent in US foreign policy (I suppose). When I suggest to take a sympathetic stance at it I mean to use it as a set of instruments to explain why states act the way they act. In a nutshell, these are its key defining ideas:

- states are the principal actors on the international stage (in that sense, economy does matter, but in the end, it?s always states taking decision along their interests)
- states pursue interests, their top interest is survival in a dog-eat-dog-style Hobbesean world
- states are "black boxes": how their acts are created is of no matter, what matters is what comes out of that box
- states make rational calculations on what will most likely strenghten their positions
- realists will in this regard refuse any moral imperatives directed at states, as the only guiding principle will be their self-interest. 
Das.Teil antwortete am 21. Aug, 22:03:
ok, i see what realism means here, though i think, as i take it to be an epistemological term or one from the theory of explanation, it is not necessarily bound to hobbesean scenarios or any moral thesis. you might call a hobbesean-like description realistic as well, but that's another point. i agree that simplicity has its merits and concepts like this can - and actually did - prove useful. and although i adhere to those kinds of explanations, i find it irritating that this kind of "realism" applied to states, at least seems to imply a new kind of mysterious collectivism.